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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri a

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whiteall knight resigned from an

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ambassadorship nobody knew he held and

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the liberal Elite and their media go all

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Dr pavlof the resignation of the

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previously unknown British ambassador to

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the EU sir Ivan Rogers is being spun as

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a national disaster regardless of the

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fact whatever your view on brexit that

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he has been a failure if you're a

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remainer you must accept he failed to

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persuade the EU of Britain's seriousness

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in considering leaving and to have

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pushed for sufficient concessions from

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Brussels if you're a brexiter you must

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accept that an ambassador who's Gone

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full Stockholm syndrome may not be the

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best man to negotiate withrawal our

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first guest is today's man of English

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letters conservative principled a man of

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rare Integrity in today's Fleet Street

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he is is the journalist author and

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broadcaster Peter oborn Peter in print

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uh this week you launched a ferocious

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but forensic attack on Jonathan Powell

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uh Mr Blair's man of business uh laterly

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but for 10 years the king of the Downing

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Street Castle uh on this subject of the

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resignation of the uh former now British

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ambassador to the EU Just For The View

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who didn't catch it in print summarize

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it if you would yes Jonathan pal within

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hours of the uh departure of uh s Ivan

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public statements including one on the

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saying that this was a collapse an

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attack on civil service integrity and

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decency here was a principled public

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servant who was been undermined and

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destroyed by a by a a government

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politize uh the national interest and

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the point with that which I came I

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listened to this live and I couldn't

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believe it Jonathan p as you will

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remember as I know and I've recorded um

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was the person who corrupted the Downing

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Street Machine along with alista

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Campbell they they went in there they

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they they waged a sort of War on

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principal public servants they only

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imposed a a collection of blurite

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sycophants um they they broke down the

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barriers between party and state and

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they hear Jonathan Paul go old moral on

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us when this is a man who did so much

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damage to deep and Lasting damage to the

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British uh Constitution it was too much

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for me I'm afraid it was uh he was the

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king uh or the Zar of a

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nomenclatura uh which uh which D blism

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and and War and as indeed I pointed out

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of course that he has interfered in the

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dossier uh in we on these weapons of

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mass destruction that he was a courtier

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to bushion to

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blur yeah a million people lie dead as a

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result of this cabal uh so it's not a

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small matter and he's the last man who

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should have been out defending the

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sanctity of uh of an impartial civil

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service I'll I'll grant you that but

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let's look at the issues beneath uh this

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of him before uh his way going we are

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told is is a disaster for uh Britain and

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that it's been caused by muddled

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ministerial level about brexit now this

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has some traction because there is still

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a lack of clarity as to whether we're

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really leaving the terms on which we're

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leaving uh what the uh outcome might be

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as a brexiter myself that it's not at

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all clear when we're going to leave and

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on what basis we're going to leave

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that's absolutely true I mean there's

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all kinds of ways in which you might

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go and let both of us would agree we

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want to go cheerfully and in good good

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spirits and and in good relationship

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with our our former European Partners

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but it's it's uh it's I don't think we

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have any sense at all what Mrs May has

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brexiter and she seems neither one way

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or the other I agree I mean there are a

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number of you're very wise there there's

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a number of par Parx is

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embedded in Mrs May when it comes to the

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European Union she was in favor of it uh

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she wanted to remain and now she's

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trying to lead us out um and there's a

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her um is my own view is we should just

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send a memo we're

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leaving we won't put any tariffs or uh

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barriers on you uh unless and until you

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put them on us we're not sending you any

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any more money henceforth we will decide

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who comes into our country and who must

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leave it uh but we give you the

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assurance that we have no intention of

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deporting any of the EU citizens who are

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currently living here what you do with

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our citizens living in your country is

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of course a matter for you that's really

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the end of it is it you don't really

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this is becoming apparent now if you

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look at the inwardness what's actually

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going with the departure of this um

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Ambassador who as you noted nobody knew

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who his existence before day before

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yesterday the there is a battle there's

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there is a very Fierce rear guard action

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city of London the big investment Banks

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the Civil Service the the rump of

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blairites George Osborne Nick C they're

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all at it and they want us to leave and

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stay at the same time which means that

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we continue to abide by the rules of the

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Union and they it is they they try and

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maintain that that's a good thing now

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the why that that is why you need

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negotiation because that involves

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involves in the S Humpty dumpies of this

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world the individual who's just gone and

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the other all these and you get involved

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in some incredibly compc liated

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bureaucratic morass which goes on for

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years and nothing ever happens now

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actually you put it very well George you

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can just leave yes yes no but as always

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with Mr Blair there's a third way uh

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Osborne wants us to stay and leave at

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the same time that's true in a good very

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good way of putting it but Blair doesn't

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want us to leave at all and he's now

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announced uh he's setting up not a think

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tank but basically a fighting

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organization with 10 million of his

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money he says and the ability presumably

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to bring in more money he intends to

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stop brexit and the way presumably that

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they intend to do that is to push for a

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second referendum which they would hope

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uh might uh reverse the uh the uh

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decision of the first your friend and

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mine Tony Blair just when you thought it

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was safe to get back in the water he's

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that I think if Mr Blair um wants to

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really does need to engage with uh the

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Iraq his history uh and he needs to

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acknowledge that that Iraq war was a

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terrible thing a ghastly mistake most

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mistake I I think that it and he seems

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hasn't properly apologized for it yet

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is wise to want to return to British

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public life or right to do so what would

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press mhm all of the BBC MH uh the city

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result that's a formidable potential

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Coalition uh we were discussing earlier

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public ownership and or or or x minus uh

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the EU and its globalization and

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neoliberal economic uh uh platform who

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Assad in Syria and move NATO further and

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aren't they and Trump and farage and me

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the last 10 20 years the victory of

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individuals yes and as a conservative I

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enormous disparity of wealth for

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labor person the destruction of ancient

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neoliberal globalization nothing that's

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sacred is sacred anymore and nothing

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atomization very much of countries the

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values and we've SE we're living through

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southern Spain you're seeing the

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absolute Inu inhumanity of it is

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unbelievable the the wiping out of the

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hopes of entire generations of young men

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the bankruptcy of countries these are

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calling each other comrade Peter auor a

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man of English letters and a wise one

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too coming up it's the former mayor of

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it welcome back to Sputnik New Year's

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the trade unions as the blairites seek

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there and to the fabians Lennon said

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that George Bernard Shaw was a good man

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Fallen among fabians today's fabians

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seem committed to the fall of another

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good man Jeremy Corbin with their

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carefully timed and some say rather

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self-serving prediction that labor may

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be headed for a 1935 size rump of just

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150 MPS who better to review the year

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ahead for labor and our mutual friend

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Jeremy Corbin than the man who was twice

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mayor of London a former labor MP and

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leading member of the part's NEC until

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like me being kicked out of Labor it's

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Ken Livingston Ken thanks for joining us

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on the sputnic let's start with the

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fabians a mild mannered group of people

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normally but they New Year present for

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Jeremy Corbin was far from mild mannered

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what did you think of it well I'd hope

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that after Jeremy's decisive reelection

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all this backstabbing most labor MPS

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have stopped doing it because they know

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Germany's going to lead us into the next

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general election their seats are at risk

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if we don't unite and these poor pole

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ratings they are bad but who's surprised

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we've had a year of internal conflict in

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the lb party put that behind us let's

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focus on the economy cuz nothing good is

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going to happen in the next few years in

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Britain I may at the very best will limp

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along her government with low economic

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growth at the worst we go back into

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recession so it's a potential disaster

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and as long as labor focuses on the

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economy Jeremy can win I me people will

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be so sick and tired of all they've had

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under Cameron and now they're going to

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have under May a Savage attack on our

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services C I mean my local Council Brent

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about half its income from the

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government has been stopped I mean Li

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are Clos I mean teachers I mean in

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London we got a huge um problem now

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because I a teacher is paid £25,000 a

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year if they got a rent a room I mean

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that's got be half their their money

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will be gone in that I mean we're in a

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disaster and nothing about ma government

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is going to lift us out I mean she often

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says some quite you know encouraging

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things about looking after the the poor

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and those struggling hard but they've

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done damn all about it and she served in

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Cameron's government where they just

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made life worse for all people and ger

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focuses on the economy yeah well these

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are all the reasons why the blairite uh

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forces in parament should desist but

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evidently they are not they've just

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shifted their emphasis the Fabian uh

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candy floss for that's what the research

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was I mean it was based on opinion polls

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dating back to the challenge uh to

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Corbin in the last of those opinion

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polls labor was 31 The Tourist 38 not

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bad at all going into the kind of period

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when you and I came into politics I mean

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people just stayed with one political

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party all their life if they were

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unhappy they might abstain but they

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wouldn't switch to another party now

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people change their mind on the way to

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the polling station I mean so that's why

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polls at the moment aren't terribly

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impressive they've had a pretty Dreadful

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record andly bad press I mean if in

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exactly the same way that Donald Trump

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in America tapped into the anger of

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Ordinary People who seen the good jobs

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go their life getting worse that's

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exactly what we've got to tap into in

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the labor party I mean in the last

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general election I was in marginal Tory

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seats all over the place the number of

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people who stopped me and said what did

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the last Labor government do for me and

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that's why the Blair rights are so

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bitter they know actually they had 13

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years in power they could have changed

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this country they could have made it

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better for ordinary people They carried

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on sucking up to the B Bankers you know

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doing whatever they wanted the wealth

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went to the top one Ordinary People

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didn't get their share well let's talk

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about him because he's not history he's

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back this very week he's announced a 10

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million War chest of his own money he

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says and presumably able to attract much

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more uh to essentially re-enter the

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political sphere uh he says he doesn't

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want to be prime minister again says he

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thinks that that's impossible uh we see

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if he maintains that for long but he is

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back and he's going to be uh in conflict

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with other political forces now here's a

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paradox the blairites were the most proe

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people imaginable yet those same

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blairites are now attacking Corbin for

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failing to opt for an end to free

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movement of Labor this is going to mix

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up a lot of politics now well we if

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Blair comes in and starts attacking

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Jeremy Corbin Corbin's poll ratings will

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go up I mean I think Tony Blair is the

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only former prime minister in my

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lifetime who can't walk down the street

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without armed protection he is the most

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loathed political figure FID by the

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taxpayers FID by us yeah I mean no I

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mean I think and isn't just the war in

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Iraq it's the way he's made his money

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ever since that he stopped being prime

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minister being attacked by by Tony I

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mean Tony bless should just go off lie

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in the sun on some exotic Beach slowly

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and fade away he not going to have an

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impact on our politics it's it will just

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cause more disruption more I mean taking

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the focus away from focusing on the

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economy which is the absolutely crucial

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thing you actually look at Jeremy's

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program for a massive public sector

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investment to modernize our economy

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cracking down on Google and Starbucks

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and all these tax Dodgers I mean the

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vast majority of labories actually agree

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with that as does the public well Jeremy

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was Bernie Sanders before Bernie Sanders

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uh and we hear talk of a kind of

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relaunch of Jeremy as Britain's uh

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Bernie Sanders that requires him to be

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out in the country don't you think he's

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spending too much time and the air is

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very still uh in the House of Commons

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he'd be better and he'd meet better

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people uh on the streets and roads of

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Britain's towns and cities I think

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that's what's coming because you know

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he's been tied up with all this internal

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fighting and all of that as I I think

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the vast majority of Labor in P now

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there's no point carrying on with that

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and I think it's going to be a much more

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open Camp I mean Jeremy's basic style

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all my lifetime I've known him that he's

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always been out there campaigning on

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issues with groups and so on I mean he's

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been an MP but most of what he's

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achieved has been working in those

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various campaigns outside I think

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focusing on that it might be that we

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don't have an election till 2020 but

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increasingly I'm thinking if it looks

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like we will have a brexit because the

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isn't that going to allow us to stop the

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migration of peoples and so we might

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leave in you know April the 1st 199 2019

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that'll be devastating for their economy

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we going have negotiated any trade deals

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or anything like that so I'm beginning

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to worry that I Chara May might decide

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to have an election before the brexit so

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that you know she can escape and the

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pain of that so we might get an election

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even this year and that's what I mean

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Jeremy I mean Simon fles who used to be

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my chief staff initially was Jeremy but

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he's been put in charge of preparing for

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the election so I think they're they're

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gearing up for that if we have an

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election in 2017 the Labor candidates

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are going to be today's labor MPS what

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good could come of that well I'm I mean

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I was always in favor of automatic

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reselection that you know every run up

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to I mean in America everybody standing

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for congress they're subject to a how

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many decades they've been in Congress

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they can still be challenged for the

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denomination of their party over here

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it's more yeah just we did used to have

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it I mean back in the early 80s we

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brought that in and I think that makes

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MPS much more responsive to their local

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party members so I'm hoping that a lot

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of these people who've been stabbing

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Jeremy in the back will be challenged by

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the new members that have come in and

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said well we don't want you as rmp

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anymore what about the trade unions Lan

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mlus has been a pillar of support for

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Progressive policies long before Jeremy

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Corbin

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it's entirely wrong to caricature him as

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Jeremy Corbin's puppet he he stood for

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them just as long as Corbin has uh but

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he's now under Challenge from a man who

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seems to be uh playing to the

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Parliamentary labor party Playbook uh

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what do you think of the chances of

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success for the blairites there I don't

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think they've got any hope what it

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people really like LM mclusky he's a

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decent guy he he didn't Trade union need

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to to me multi-millionaire or something

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like that he fights for workers rights

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and it does look pretty obvious I

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wouldn't be at all surprised to find

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that the same people who are funding the

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campaigns against Jeremy will be funding

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this campaign um to try and get rid of

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mclusky but they will fail in that I

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mean bulus is a national figure lastly

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uh the I want to talk to you about the

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media uh when you were the leader of the

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GLC greater London Council for younger

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uh viewers uh

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your life was made a Misery by uh a

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rapacious press but that was before the

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247 media era was before social media

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before Facebook Twitter all of that you

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are masterful at handling that I used to

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uh gaze in wonder how you managed to

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turn their attacks into increased

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support for for yourself you are great

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at handling uh media

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attacks he's our friend I don't like to

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say it Jeremy's not quite so good what

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could he do to improve his public

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relations Persona well I mean we know

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that the bulk of the press are not going

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to fairly report what Jeremy's doing and

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I mean the the labor party team around

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Jeremy are focusing much now on the

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internet I the social media bypassing

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the journalist but you mean I think

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you've got too fond a memory of my time

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then after I've been leader of the jlc

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for 6 months my pole Ra was down to 18%

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which is I mean even worse than Jeremy's

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got now I me but I'm like Jeremy I

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didn't change my policies because of all

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the lies in the media and Jeremy ain't

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going to do that and I think people see

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here's someone who's got the Integrity

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to actually not give in I to the

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murdocks and all the others and the Lord

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rir and so on and I mean I I don't have

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the slightest out that his poll ratings

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will go out like mind did it takes a

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year or two to get that across then K

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thanks for joining us on the

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Sputnik and now it's your turn to tell

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social media what's rattling G tree

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first off Britain brexit and there the

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resigning EU Ambassador um who knew we

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had one Phil said resigning civil

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servants oversteep the mark decide or in

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this case the British people an

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ambassador is someone sent to lie abroad

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for his country uh he's not there to uh

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make his own lies he's not there to

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paddle his own canoe uh his only purpose

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is to convey and work for the line of

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the government whose Ambassador he is

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and clearly this man uh was not doing so

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no neither before the referendum nor

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after it now on uh the Parliamentary

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labor party and their relation towards

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Jeremy Corbin beggy says how many

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workingclass vegans can he actually

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connect with well it is a good point

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that um Jeremy does look and and appear

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and sometimes act a little too vegan all

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respect to vegans and and we need their

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votes but you need to reach out wider

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than that outside of Islington well it's

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all the tweets that we have time for

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which alas means that's the end of the

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show

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uh but you can stay in touch with us on

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social media rtor Sputnik on Twitter or

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Facebook Sputnik on Russia today it's

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good bye from me gri and from me George

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Gallow it's been marvelous

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